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August 24, 2000


Correction, Pasteurization


The report you refer to was issued by the Center for the Study of American
Business at Washington University in St. Louis, not Washington State
University (Pullman, WA).

Subj: RE: AGBIOVIEW: Applying the Precautionary Principle to Genetically
Modified Crops
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 5:02:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "BARTON, GARY F [FND/1000]"

No....No....No....It is Washington University in ST. LOUIS!!!! (NOT
Washington State)

Regards, Gary Barton

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Get the full 44 page report, "Applying the Precautionary Principle to
Genetically Modified Crops" at http://csab.wustl.edu.

Genetically Modified Crops Are Good for Public Health and the Environment

Washington State University, Center for the Study of American Business

Subj: Re: AGBIOVIEW: Rhetoric, pasteurization
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 5:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "L. Val Giddings"

In re the comments below on pasteurization and organic practitioner's
mindsets, Red Porphyry illustrates how somebody can be misled by taking at
face value what one finds on parachuting into a new situation without
benefit of historical background. The fact that today foods on grocery
store shelves (alternative/organic or conventional) are predominantly
(when relevant) pasteurized is less a reflection of the mindsets of
organic producers than the fact that FDA has authority to prevent unsafe
foods from being sold. The current dominance of pasteurization even in
organic food stores is an historical consequence of a number of well
publicized negative impacts on consumer health, including some deaths,
that resulted in the past from widespread consumption of unpasteurized
organic apple juice and raw milk. Fifteen or twenty years ago the shelves
looked quite different from what Red found. The non pasteurized stuff
Red failed to locate can still be found, but one has to know where and how
to look for it. It is not difficult to find at all.

The organic community encompasses a wide variety of mindsets and world
views. Anybody who suggests that there is not a substantial number of
organic devotees opposed to pasteurization is misinformed. I grew up
amongst or alongside of organic devotees passionately opposed to
pasteurization for metaphysical reasons impregnable to reason, data and
experience. (Phrenology, reflexology, iridology, chiropractic and a bunch
of other crackpot cosmologies and etiologies, are still very much in
evidence in these communities.) These folks tend to buy what they drink
from fellow travelers rather than from grocery outlets. These people are
abundant today among communities in several parts of the United States,
and their mindsets and worldview and historoical attitudes toward
pasteurization can be amply documented by perusing the stacks in any
reasonably well stocked university library or a little imaginative
websurfing. They formed the bedrock on which were shaped the worldviews
of many of those in control of ideological purity in the organic community

> Date: Aug 22 2000 12:36:03 EDT
> From: Red Porphyry
> Subject: The Role of Pasteurization in Organic-associated Lifestyles
> several recent contributors to the list have made the claim that the
> process of pasteurization is, to one degree or another, frowned upon by
> those who practice certain lifestyles known to be associated with the
> consumption of organic foods. not having the wherewithal to do a sound,
> reliable controlled study of the people who practice organic-associated
> lifestyles, but curious nevertheless, i decided to do a quick tour
> the various grocery stores that sell organic foods in my (u.s.) town, to
> see if there was any evidence that suggested that organic food
> either don't pasteurize their products or produce both pasteurized and
> unpasteurized products. here's what i found: