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June 28, 2000


organic myths, exports, Marcus Williamson, Golden Rice


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Subj: RE: organic myths -- 5 responses to Klaas Martens
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 5:29:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Jamie Bishop"
To: "'AgBioView'"

I don't know where Klaas lives, but I know that you can't grow anything
over the winter where I live in Nebraska (nope, Tony, not even alfalfa),
so you would have to take land out of production to grow green manure
which would reduce output per farm, so even if yield per acre was not
significantly different, you'd have to get more per bushel or ton or
whatever to break even. And if a large population of farmers did that,
overall output would drop (hey, I'm not a scientist, but I can count),
the agribusiness local
service industry would change a lot, and in the end there would be less
food and less wealth than there is now.

However, growth opportunities would be created for clover seed sales men,
rural community economic development advisors and casket makers in
food-scarce countries.

If I was running Maw&Paw's Organic Farm, I'd be troubled less by the
tooting of our discussion group, and more by the movement of "Large
Corporate Interests" like food companies and grocery store chains into
what has been a cushy little market. Organic food stuffs as a commodity?
How would that work out in the models?

Jamie Bishop
Bader Rutter & Associates

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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:56 PM
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Subject: Re: organic myths -- 5 responses to Klaas Martens

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Date: Jun 28 2000 10:23:26 EDT
From: "Clothier, Jeffrey"
Subject: RE: Organic myths

>>>From: kandmhfarm@sprintmail.com [mailto:kandmhfarm@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:41 AM
To: AgBioView
Subject: Organic myths

It is distressing to read, among the informed well-written opinions on
this listserv, such utter nonsense about organic farming...<<<

Date: Jun 28 2000 15:44:40 EDT
From: Andrew Apel
Subject: Re: Marcus Williamson

Actually, the sprayable Bt has been shown to cause pulmonary distress in
humans. No such results have obtained with the use of crops modified to
express the toxins.

Malcolm Livingstone wrote:

> Marcus,
> Bt toxin has been sprayed over crops for decades by farmers (organic and
otherwise). There is no evidence of harm to human health.

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Date: Jun 29 2000 14:01:50 EDT
From: "HYMEL, EDWARD J [AG/1560]"
Subject: Exports

Dear Friends of AgBioWorld,

The first several messages received from listbot was in reference to the
salaries of scientists. Though some of the discussions have been
informative and entertaining, there seems to be too many discussions
with feelings and emotions rather than concrete items that can be
influenced. Growing up near New Orleans, it is not too hard to remember
the "good times" in the early 80's, when the US was exporting more goods
than could be produced. It wasn't until the grain embargo, during the
Carter administration, when the export industry crashed. It is hard
believe that these countries still do not need US grain and efforts
should be in lobbing congress to help Russia in their time of need.
Efforts also need to be focused on those who are involved in the
transportation of exported goods. The AgBioWorld needs to get their buy-in
for GMOs. There are several people who have been in the export business
for 30 years who have little knowledge of GMOs and the impact
biotechnology could have on their businesses. This is an opportunity for
everyone to benefit from this technology and the discussions need to be
more productive,
rather than just defending false accusations.

Edward Hym

Subj: Golden Rice and plant genetic resources
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 5:11:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Beant Ahloowalia

The basis of integrating new technology into plant breeding and
its access to all nations
is illustrated what Ingo Potrykus has said for "Golden rice". But there
is need to go a few steps further.

So far, the plant breeders have used genes freely from gene pools,
without patents. Why should the developing countries be now be asked to
create new laws to protect and pay for a few novel genes, when rest of
the world have used and are still using plant gremplasm produced in the
developing countries!

The use of all new genes in plants should be based on some of the
criteria as Ingo has listed for .

1. No dependency of the farmers on anyone- they own the material once
they have bought and use their own harvest for the next sowing.

2. No need for any additional inputs.

3. Free access to transfer genes into local varieties.

In return for free novel genes, there is free access to all the
germplasm held in trust by CGIAR and FAO for humanity.

If this is not allowed, all the noise to help feed the increasing world
population will look only as a cheap propaganda.