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May 23, 2000


11 contributions


Subj: Re: [Tesco Withdraws Organic Mushrooms]
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 1:21:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Alan H.Hall M.D."

Dear Good Dr. P et al:

Here's a good reference on the topic:

Spoerke DG, Rumack BH (Eds): Handbook of Mushroom Poisoning: Diagnosis
Treatment. CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, 1994. (Chapter by Hall AH, Hall P
K on
Ibotenic Acid-Muscimol-containing Mushrooms.)

Nature can and will do it to you (if you aren't as smart as nature
intended you to be; the dumb die young). You just have to know what
you're picking out in the wilds, or see the above. (Don't get a handbook
on the 3 edible mushrooms of Elbonia for starters).

There are several classes of naturally toxic mushrooms. Anyone out there
want to know what they are, either get the above book or contact me or
your local or State mycological society -- some of which can teach you a
lot -- and the choice wild edibles are to be died for -- they have one in
Japan that costs
$US 1,000.00 each).

Just for the pure "Phil: the guy of insufficientlight, Dilbert cartoon
charactor) heck of it, how'd someone like to make a choice edible out of
Amanita phalloides or verna, or virosa etc. by coding out for the
production of certain mycotoxins? I'd rather of course eat choice edibles
(such as Bolleta etc.), but some persons inadvertently pick the wrong
mushrooms and die or become significantlyill therefrom -- "Gadfly says:
Suppose you could eat these without harm due to GMO?"

Hint: "If this ever happens, use real butter (the devil with those
cholesterol nuts), FRESH garlic, real fresh ground pepper, and the kind of
flour which may only be found in certain parts of the Luberon in France
(who says Americans don't know about good food?), and heat slowly in a
large saucepan over medium heat until medium brown. Serve with a
IN THIS RECIPE -- they act like antabuse). Red wine would only be
appropriate with certain More llus species (and it should be a very dry

Who says Americans can't cook or know what good vegetables etc. taste lik

(There's GREAT story about Americans, Frence persons and a basic white sa
-- actually a murder story I could possibly tell you); and I have
actually had
2 absolutely TERRIBLE meals in France.

Yours truly,

Alan H. Hall, MD. FACEP
Medical Toxicologist

Subj: RE: Reuters: Organic Food May Be More Risky Than Biofoods -
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 2:21:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jim Mullen jmullen@entekcorp.com

One can certainly tell that the genetically modified foods are toxic. Look
at all the deaths occurring from light beer.

Subj: RE: Organic Article
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 5:58:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Clothier, Jeffrey"

I have taken to putting the word "organic" in quotes when referring to
labor-intensive, highly expensive food grown by hand in piles of dung by
primitive means and marketed to the naive and the affluent, as ALL food
is, in truth, organic. To be inorganic, it would almost have to be
silicon-based, or at least contain no Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen or Nitrogen
(CHON) which are the elements comprising all organic substances.
Dictionaries and encyclopedias are wonderful things.

Jeff Clothier
Web Coordinator
Employee Communications
Pioneer Hi-Bred, Int'l, Inc.
400 Locust St.
Des Moines, IA 50306

Subj: Re: GM slogans
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 6:07:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Andrew Apel


Here are a couple slogans--

Could I have some extra genes with those fries?
GMOs...the natural alternative.
Tastes great...less killing!
Smart genes...give some to your kids today!
E. coli is all-natural!

significant part of your diet will severely limit or reduce your daily
dietaryintake of fungal toxins, pesticides, persistent herbicides and
stray foreign matter.

Better living through less chemistry.

If I think of more, I'll send 'em over.

Subj: RE: herbicide use
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 4:30:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: alan dewar

Dear All

I too have heard Mae Wan Ho quote statistics about the increased use of
herbicides in soya in GM herbicide-tolerant crops in the US. She said at
a seminar at Rothamsted last month, that the survey was done by a
university. Where is the data published?

Alan M. Dewar
IACR-Broom's Barn
Bury St. Edmunds
IP28 6NP

Subj: Herbicide Use in HT Soybeans
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:14:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Gary Blumenthal"

Charles Margulis was being disingenuous. The U.S. Department of
Agriculture's Economic Research Service calculated herbicide use on
herbicide tolerant soybeans (HT) and found that the specific use of the
herbicide glyphosate did increase (thus Margulis' contention), but the
number of overall herbicide treatments was lower than for non-biotech
soybeans. Recall that with non-biotech soybeans, farmers must use multiple
treatments of different herbicides. Glyphosate tolerance enables the
farmer to use this one herbicide alone, though its relative use increases
from when it is used in combination with three or four other herbicides.

Gary Blumenthal
World Perspectives, Inc.
Washington, D.C.
(202) 785-3345

Subject: Re: Reuters: Organic Food May Be More Risky Than Biofoods -
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:03:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "John Mottley"

'Organic Food May Be More Risky Than Biofoods - Cargill'

Hi all,

I think the safety of GM vs organic foods is a rather important issue and
should be played on more than it is. It would be useful if biotech
companies sponsored research into this at independent, high profile,
reputable research institutions and get the results into the media more

Safety scare stories about biotech have been instrumental in increasing
the popularity of organic foods - so why not the reverse - the battle has
to be taken to the 'enemy'. This might seem a crude attempt at politiking,
or it might be taken as an attempt at revealing the truth. But if trendy
young, single rich 'organic' people, and women, who mainly buy the
family's groceries, were afraid that they or their babies might evelop
cancers in later life from even small traces of aflatoxin in organic
foods, then the bottom would fall out of the organic market. Evidence for
such things like this has to be obtained validly and then ensationalised
and milked as much as possible in the media.

This idea stems from a colleague's experiences of her baby's sickness
after being fed organic baby food, but not the non-organic equivalent.
She's unlikely to touch organic baby food again.

Subj: blood on organic farms
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 6:27:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "John Mottley"

Hi all,

A colleague of mine (a microbiologist) said that a few years ago
abbattoirs ( at least in the UK) used to pump waste, such as blood, into
the soils of organic farms to get rid of it. Has this implications as a
potential reservoir of BSE prion? Does anyone have any information on this?

With best regards,

John Mottley,
University of East London.
(The trick is to keep breathing)

Subj: Re: correcting factual errors (BBC)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 9:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Ray and June Shillito

At least the BBC allosws correction of their errors. We should press
other sites to do the same, and use the option.


Ray Shillito

Subj: Foreign affairs- May/June 2000
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 3:16:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "sanjeev chopra"


The May/June issue of Foreign affairs has two very reasoned articles on
'Global Food fights': Robert Pearlberg on the Biotech Revolution, and C
Ford Runge & Benjamain Senauer on Food Security .I am told that for
copyright reasons, I cannot scan them and send them to you-but most
libraries would have a copy.

Sanjeev Chopra
Hubert H Humphrey Fellow,
Visiting Fellow(May 8-June 17)
Foreign Policy Studies program
The Brookings Institution,
1775 Massachusetts Avenue,NW
Washington DC
Sr Deputy Director
LBS National Academy of Adminstration,
Mussorie.(UP) India. 248179

Subj: RE: 7 contributions
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 9:47:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: jonathan jones

The best reply to the below is that all plants contain active transposons
that insert at new positions and
can interrupt genes or bring them under new regulatory controls

jonathan jones

> Date: May 22 2000 00:39:53 EDT
> From:Malcolm Livingstone
> Subject: Prast
> Is there anyone out there who can counter the claims made by PRAST
> scientists who state that any interuption of the DNA sequence of a
> by a transgene can result in faulty metabolism or the production of an